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Brooke wasn't being a very good friend
« on: May 30, 2012 at 04:38 PM »
Alright Brooke fans -- COME AT ME!   :P

I want to start out by saying I am NOT a Brooke hater at all!

I've been re-watching season 1 during the OTHforums Re-watch and I just finished episodes 9 & 10 and Brooke and Lucas just started dating and I just don't see how she was being a very good friend to Peyton by even trying to date a guy that Peyton is into or used to be into. I know that Peyton said that her and Lucas were just friends, but any best friend would know that he is still off limits.

This has nothing to do with the cheating scandal that is to come, but Brooke started hanging out with Lucas while they were saving Peyton. Clearly Lucas was worried about Peyton and hadn't really denied at any time that he was over her. All of a sudden she's trying to make out with him and started dating him without even asking Peyton what she thought. She asked Peyton AFTER they were already dating.

I'm not trying to justify cheating or anything like that. I just know that Brooke is always "innocent" or people think that she is always the vicitm and I don't think it's always the case. Peyton gets a lot of heat throughout the show for being the worst friend in the world, but I don't think she is always to blame.  ???


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Re: Brooke wasn't being a very good friend
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2012 at 05:14 PM »
Ok so to break it down
Brooke was manipulative in season 1. If you look at the episode where they threw the party at Dan's house Brooke tried to hook Peyton back with Nathan so that she could get with Lucas even though she knew Peyton wanted him. It was weird to me that Brooke never once thought about Peyton being jealous about Brooke and Lucas' relationship. 
I don't care for Brooke or Peyton honestly their friendship was kind of messy and communication was terrible. 
BUT Brooke did not deserve to be cheated on especially by her bff. 

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Re: Brooke wasn't being a very good friend
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2012 at 05:27 PM »
@Liz, for someone who is not a Brooke hater you sure do bash her alot that being said there are 5 core cast members in this show can we actually come in here one time and have one started about them and not about Brooke, she may not have been perfect but neither are they so lets get alittle variety here on who we talk about constantley because it's getting alittle old. Maybe why this site is not so popular. Because quite frankly i'm getting tired of the same old stuff on here. Just my opinion

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Re: Brooke wasn't being a very good friend
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2012 at 05:30 PM »
I have complained about Lucas throughout the whole series in many a threads.

I'm currently re-watching season 1 which is why I'm on the love triangle debate. In season 2 I made many threads about being mad at Haley for leaving on tour. It all depends on what's going on in the part of the show that I am watching.

Not to mention, in my obvservation I have seen many people who love Brooke and hate Peyton (not pointing to anyone specific) and so I am taking the opportunity to defend Peyton a little. I have only started two negative threads about Brooke. However, I post a lot in the BL sections and BP section saying good things so I am definitely not bias. Just starting a discussion that usually has a lot of opinons and welcoming all different types to express theirs.

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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2012 at 05:33 PM »
I completely agree with you Liz (again, haha)! Even though I'm a massive Leyton fan, I'm also a massive Brooke fan and I hate that Brooke was made out to be 'little miss innocent' throughout the whole BLP triangle.

I did feel bad for Brooke when LP cheated (which just wasn't right, especially between BP as best friends) but BEFORE that Lucas was off-limits especially after their conversation in bed after the party at Nathan's, when Peyton said to Brooke about her and Lucas almost sleeping together and Peyton said 'He started getting all serious...'. Surely from that Brooke could see Lucas was into Peyton? So I don't understand at all why she suddenly went after him at all, let alone as soon as Peyton said that. I personally don't think Brooke was a good friend at all in S1.

YES, Peyton then denied being 'in to him' but as a best friend, you should still be able to pick up on your friends vibes (I know I always can with my best friend). Peyton was clearly not ok with them being together and I felt like Brooke just went full steam ahead with her relationship with Lucas without considering Peyton at all. As you said Liz, she asked Peyton after so of course Peyton felt she couldn't say 'No, break up with him'.

I just hate how people think Brooke is always innocent in everything she does (even coming from a massive Brooke fan). Yes she didn't deserve to be cheated on (of course!!) but she did start the ball rolling with the whole BL relationship even when she knew there was something between LP.

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2012 at 05:46 PM »
Don't get me wrong i by no means think that Brooke was an angel, but how many times did she have to ask Peyton if she was into him, why not just tell Brooke she didn't feel comfortable with her going after Lucas i know if my BFF said that to me i'd back off even Lucas said she was alot of drama so how is it only Brooke's at fault. I only can answer about season 1,5-9 because i stopped watching.

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Re: Brooke wasn't being a very good friend
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2012 at 05:53 PM »
You didn't watch season 2-4? That's classic Tree Hill!

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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2012 at 05:59 PM »
I know i'm gonna get them on NetFlix cause my cable company no longer carries Soapnet, but i will be watching them very soon i promise. I'm on vacation for two weeks next week so hopefully i'll be able to watch episodes then.

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Re: Brooke wasn't being a very good friend
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2012 at 06:01 PM »
BL is classic in seasons 2 & 3. I can't wait for you to watch them! Seasons 1-3 were a completely different show, IMO. Can't wait for your thoughts!! :)

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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2012 at 06:06 PM »
I'll definetly share them with you when i see them. Thanks for the info

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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2012 at 06:16 PM »
I completely agree with you Liz (again, haha)! Even though I'm a massive Leyton fan, I'm also a massive Brooke fan and I hate that Brooke was made out to be 'little miss innocent' throughout the whole BLP triangle.

I did feel bad for Brooke when LP cheated (which just wasn't right, especially between BP as best friends) but BEFORE that Lucas was off-limits especially after their conversation in bed after the party at Nathan's, when Peyton said to Brooke about her and Lucas almost sleeping together and Peyton said 'He started getting all serious...'. Surely from that Brooke could see Lucas was into Peyton? So I don't understand at all why she suddenly went after him at all, let alone as soon as Peyton said that. I personally don't think Brooke was a good friend at all in S1.

YES, Peyton then denied being 'in to him' but as a best friend, you should still be able to pick up on your friends vibes (I know I always can with my best friend). Peyton was clearly not ok with them being together and I felt like Brooke just went full steam ahead with her relationship with Lucas without considering Peyton at all. As you said Liz, she asked Peyton after so of course Peyton felt she couldn't say 'No, break up with him'.

I just hate how people think Brooke is always innocent in everything she does (even coming from a massive Brooke fan). Yes she didn't deserve to be cheated on (of course!!) but she did start the ball rolling with the whole BL relationship even when she knew there was something between LP.

I actually don't agree with the whole "Brooke should've noticed that Peyton was into Lucas"-thing.

In my POV no one can say for sure if Brooke really knew about the feelings Peyton had for Lucas,because Peyton said they were just friends and she never told Brooke that she was in love with Lucas.If I was in love with a boy I would tell my friend about my feelings and wouldn't let anyone,not even my best friend near him,but she denied her feelings,she didn't go after him up until Brooke and Lucas started dating and that was wrong.

Some people say that Brooke should've been aware of the fact that Lucas and Peyton had feelings for each other and shouldn't have gone after Lucas,but if even Lucas and Peyton weren't aware of their feelings for each other (or just denied them) how would Brooke know?Why weren't Lucas and Peyton honest with each other right from the start ,but started making out while Lucas was with someone else? (Brooke)

And for the record: Being friends with someone for years doesn't mean that you automatically know what is going on in your friends mind all the time.Brooke has always been a character who was open about her feelings and Peyton wasn't. You can't expect that a best friend can look into your head and know what is going on. A good friendship also means to open up,to talk and let the other one be there for you. I'm sure Brooke would've never gone after Lucas if she REALLY knew about the feelings Peyton had for Lucas.

The openness of Brooke is something people criticized in both Brooke/Peyton and Brooke/Haley friendships.I don't see what is wrong about being open about your feelings.

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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2012 at 06:20 PM »
Gosh, I've seen hundred topics like this and I'm sure I'll see the same answers as always from the same people. I just will say that Brooke was actually a CREEPY friend in season 1 as well as Peyton :) These two were great in hurting each other.

And I don't know why it's always about these two girls and where is LUCAS? Oh yes, he was innocent for sure. :)

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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2012 at 06:23 PM »
LOL home girl just broke the #1 rule in girl code and she and some people thought that was okay to do just because Lucas was single or aka fair game.

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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2012 at 06:25 PM »
Oh Lucas was FAR FROM innocent ;) One of the many reason Lucas can get on my nerves. However, in season 1 I didn't blame him as much when he started dating Brooke. He had no loyalties to Peyton in the beginning. When him and Brooke hit it off he had every right to do what he wanted.

Obviously, the cheating was a different story. I was only referring to the starting dating part. NOT the cheating thing.

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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2012 at 06:29 PM »
Lucas was the worst of the three of them.Period. :D

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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2012 at 06:34 PM »
 :laugh: Lucas was on top of the world. He had two girls who wanted him. Once he cheated on Brooke and all that junk my respect for him went WAY down.

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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2012 at 06:35 PM »
True, Lucas the worst but if this is about the start of BL, then I agree Brooke was a crappy friend to Peyton.
No matter what Peyton said, everyone could see she had feelings for Lucas, so her best friend surely should have seen it.
The rest of the relationship, well I was more on Brooke's side. Seeing as she was wronged. But the start...not so much.

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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2012 at 06:36 PM »
Once LP did their motel thing, I instantly felt bad for Brooke. I think that once we saw the betrayal it was hard to see anything else.

I just wanted to point out how i was feeling when I watched 1.9&1.10

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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2012 at 06:53 PM »
Only time I felt Lucas was at fault here was when he became exclusive with Brooke. But this isn't about that. It's about Brooke being a crappy friend to Peyton. Like @Liz said, Lucas had no loyalties to Peyton or Brooke. However, Peyton and Brooke did.

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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2012 at 07:09 PM »
LOL at LP not knowing they had feelings for each other or denied it. Only Peyton denied it, Lucas made it more than obvious that he was into Peyton. Brooke KNEW Peyton liked Lucas. Period. If she had to asked Peyton a million times and could even pick up on the "good direction" LP were heading at the basketball charity, then the excuse of Peyton denying her feelings has no merit. So, again, even IF Brooke wasn't aware of Peyton's feelings, she knew Lucas liked Peyton, so why would she deliberately go after Lucas anyway knowing he's emotionally unavailable and into her BFF?


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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2012 at 07:12 PM »
So if Lucas "was aware" of his feelings for Peyton,then why did he start dating someone else?

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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2012 at 07:15 PM »
So, again, even IF Brooke wasn't aware of Peyton's feelings, she knew Lucas liked Peyton, so why would she deliberately go after Lucas anyway knowing he's emotionally unavailable and into her BFF?

This!! Brooke knew she was going to be second best so I don't really understand why she went after Lucas when she knew he clearly like Peyton!

I actually don't agree with the whole "Brooke should've noticed that Peyton was into Lucas"-thing.

In my POV no one can say for sure if Brooke really knew about the feelings Peyton had for Lucas,because Peyton said they were just friends and she never told Brooke that she was in love with Lucas.If I was in love with a boy I would tell my friend about my feelings and wouldn't let anyone,not even my best friend near him,but she denied her feelings,she didn't go after him up until Brooke and Lucas started dating and that was wrong.

Some people say that Brooke should've been aware of the fact that Lucas and Peyton had feelings for each other and shouldn't have gone after Lucas,but if even Lucas and Peyton weren't aware of their feelings for each other (or just denied them) how would Brooke know?Why weren't Lucas and Peyton honest with each other right from the start ,but started making out while Lucas was with someone else? (Brooke)

And for the record: Being friends with someone for years doesn't mean that you automatically know what is going on in your friends mind all the time.Brooke has always been a character who was open about her feelings and Peyton wasn't. You can't expect that a best friend can look into your head and know what is going on. A good friendship also means to open up,to talk and let the other one be there for you. I'm sure Brooke would've never gone after Lucas if she REALLY knew about the feelings Peyton had for Lucas.

The openness of Brooke is something people criticized in both Brooke/Peyton and Brooke/Haley friendships.I don't see what is wrong about being open about your feelings.

It's not neccesarily the fact of knowing what you're best friend is thinking, but that fact is she literally tried in on with Lucas just DAYS after Lucas was about to sleep with Peyton and had been open about her feelings to her.

In the scene I mentioned before, Peyton had literally sat there and told Brooke that her Lucas they were about to have sex, but he got all serious. So Brooke then should have thought 'Ok maybe I like Lucas, but this is complicated between them.... I'll give it time to cool off and see where things go'. Nope! Within the next few episodes she is out with him. Peyton literally changed her mind, what a few days after? Maybe a week or two? But her best friend had already made a move on him and was about to sleep with him. I just thought it was silly. Whether Peyton liked him or not, Brooke had no right to suddenly go 'I'll go for him then' literally a few days after the whole LP situation at the party. But I suppose that's just how Brooke was like in S1 which is why I prefer her so much more in the later seasons.

YES Lucas and Peyton should have been honest with each other from the start, but the fact is that Peyton was scared. She changed her mind very soon after Lucas was serious with her, and she was honest and open with Lucas but he was already with her BEST FRIEND.

Obviously the cheating was horrible and completely wrong (I'm not condoning that at all), but I'm just specifically talking about the way Brooke handled things before she got involved with Lucas.

So if Lucas "was aware" of his feelings for Peyton,then why did he start dating someone else?

Because he's an idiot! Peyton had turned him down so I suppose he was looking for sex/fun whatever with Brooke. You could see it in his face when Peyton came into his room and did the whole 'I want all the same things you want' speech, that he was gutted. Why he didn't break it off with Brooke immediately after and get together with Peyton I will never know (partly why Lucas is my least favourite character)... it was all for the 'drama' of the show I guess.

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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2012 at 07:23 PM »
This!! Brooke knew she was going to be second best so I don't really understand why she went after Lucas when she knew he clearly like Peyton!

It's not neccesarily the fact of knowing what you're best friend is thinking, but that fact is she literally tried in on with Lucas just DAYS after Lucas was about to sleep with Peyton and had been open about her feelings to her.

In the scene I mentioned before, Peyton had literally sat there and told Brooke that her Lucas they were about to have sex, but he got all serious. So Brooke then should have thought 'Ok maybe I like Lucas, but this is complicated between them.... I'll give it time to cool off and see where things go'. Nope! Within the next few episodes she is out with him. Peyton literally changed her mind, what a few days after? Maybe a week or two? But her best friend had already made a move on him and was about to sleep with him. I just thought it was silly. Whether Peyton liked him or not, Brooke had no right to suddenly go 'I'll go for him then' literally a few days after the whole LP situation at the party. But I suppose that's just how Brooke was like in S1 which is why I prefer her so much more in the later seasons.

YES Lucas and Peyton should have been honest with each other from the start, but the fact is that Peyton was scared. She changed her mind very soon after Lucas was serious with her, and she was honest and open with Lucas but he was already with her BEST FRIEND.

You've got a point there!

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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2012 at 07:24 PM »
So if Lucas "was aware" of his feelings for Peyton,then why did he start dating someone else?

Didn't Lucas explain that to Peyton in 1x13?

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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2012 at 08:29 PM »
So if Lucas "was aware" of his feelings for Peyton,then why did he start dating someone else?

If you're seriously asking this question, you should go back and re-watch season 1. Not trying to be rude by any means, but I'm pretty sure Lucas explained it to Peyton and Haley why he was with Brooke. He told Peyton he wanted her but was hiding out with Brooke because he was scared to get hurt or something. He told Haley that he's with Brooke because she's easy.