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Offline TorturedFate

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Suicide
« on: October 18, 2012 at 01:18 AM »
If you have a Facebook page then I am sure you have seen numerous posts on your timeliness the past few days about Amanda Todd,  the 15 year old from Canada who recently killed herself because of bullying. This case has gone global, but sadly it's far from the only case. What makes it even worse are some of the comments people are leaving on these pages calling her a weakling, a coward, and much worse.

So I decided to come here and see what everyone here's opinion is on suicide. Do you think its a cowards way out, or do you have sympathy for the person who was in so much pain that they saw it as there only way out? Is it weakness and a 1 way ticket to hell? Or is it just a person who was so far gone they lost all rational thought.

I have a very close relationship to this topic, and will post my thoughts on it later.


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Re: Suicide
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2012 at 09:55 PM »
The Amanda Todd story was very sad. My mom's best friend knows her family quite well, or one side of them. From what I've heard, Amanda was a sweet girl who made the wrong decisions, and don't we all? Some of us are luckier than others. Amanda's situation was very unfortuate. It made me think of a few girls who I know, who've made similar mistakes and were goddamn lucky with their consequences (which were little to none). Amanda did not deserve to be treated the way she was - nobody does - and the people saying otherwise make me sick to my stomach. 

I've been to the point where I thought that ending my life was the only way out of the pain and misery I was enduring each day. It's a terrible low point, but thankfully I received help. I don't think it makes somebody weak, and it irritates me to read some of these comments on Amanda's memorial pages, that say it's all her fault and that she was weak. I won't even get into that story specifically, it fires me up.

I've had two family members take their own lives, and my heart still aches for them. I was very young when my aunt took her life, and about thirteen when my cousin did, but knowing that there was something I could've done to at least try and help? It makes me sick knowing that. I didn't know that either of them were suffering such immense pain and unhappiness, of course, but it doesn't make me feel any better.

I think at the end of the day, we all handle things differently. We react to situations differently. Some people do see suicide as being weak, and some people, like myself, don't. Sometimes it simply feels like the only way to end things, and I say that from experience. I would of course never encourage or endorse it, ever. Anyway, obviously the people who a) have never felt such immense depression b) never had anybody close to them be depressed or c) never had anybody close to them commit suicide, won't feel the same way. And I know people who have known people who've taken their lives, and still feel that being suicidal is weak. I know people who think being depressed is weak (and that's a completely difference subject, which also pisses me off immensely, that people feel that way).

Not sure if I made much sense here. But to sum this long post up... no, I don't think it's a sign of weakness.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2012 at 04:35 PM »
Bullying is such a topic, is THE reason why lots of teens decide to end with their lives. I've seen horrible cases about it, and I don't understand how teens can be so cruel to others. One word can bring you down, one word can kill you.Each one has a different way of seeing it, of accepting it, of suffering it ....


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Re: Suicide
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2012 at 05:40 AM »
I heard about it, such a terrible story :( I feel bad for her family and friends...and also for Amanda herself. That she saw no other way out.

I've been close to do it myself 5-6 years ago, but I decided not to do it. I thought of my mother and sister who I would hurt deeply and I just knew I couldn't do it. There's always a bright side about a life ; but sometimes it's hard to find that bright side. And some people fail, and they see no way out. I don't find them selfish, I just feel sorry for them. Every human life is precious, and it hurts me that some people drive other people to that edge. It's terrible.

Plus...we are not here to judge about other persons and their choices. We don't know how tough Amanda's life was ( or any other one for that matter ), so I hate these people who judge her ( not in this topic!! ) and call her a coward or something. Being on that edge...experiencing it...just changes your mind about the topic. I would never do it anymore but I've been on that edge. I know how hard it is to come back. Some people just don't have that luck, which sucks :(

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2012 at 04:03 PM »
Suicide hits close to home for me, I heard about the Amanda Todd through Facebook of course, I will come back to share my story as I am about to leave work, but check this out:

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2012 at 06:05 PM »
Our junior year of high school, one of my best friends tried to commit suicide. She found out her father had been cheating on her mom and her mom was in some trouble with the law. She also had really low self esteem. She took 100+ of two different kinds of pills and spent about 2 weeks in the hospital/psych ward. Even though I was one of her her best friends, for whatever reason, I was the person she talked to about it the least. The only time she directly spoke to me about it was in our senior year when a freshman who was going to our school was walking to school and got hit by a car and killed...on her fourth day of high school. Neither of us knew the girl, but the sadness surrounding her death haunted our school for a really long time. Aside from a boy who died of cancer our freshman year, this one of the first losses we had experienced of a young person in our school. The day that she died, I remember my best friend telling me that after looking around at all the people who were so sad about this girl's death, that she was really glad that her suicide attempt had failed because she wouldn't want to put any of us through that. Today she has so much more confidence in herself and the people she loves and I know she would never even come closing to trying again.

With all that being said, I'm not 100% sure about how I feel about it because at times I do feel like it's an easy way out, a weakness, and mostly selfish. My cousin, who I am incredibly close with, has cerebral palsy. She's bound to a wheel chair for the rest of her life (unless medical miracles occur), she can't feed herself, still wears diapers, sometimes people have a hard time understanding her, she'll never have children, probably won't get married, even though she's 20 years old, she still relies on adults, she has had multiple surgies to put metal rods in her arms and legs, and she doesn't have as long of an expected life span as a normal 20 year old. She also has to be one of the strongest , most positive people and I know. She never complains, laughs at everything, makes everyone laugh, laughs it off when people don't understand her, rarely gets frustrated, and cares more about making others happy than she does about doing things for herself (she still believes in Santa but cares more about giving others their presents on Christmas). And so when I hear of people who seem to have minor problems compared to what she has to deal with the for the rest of her life, sometime I does see their depression to the extent of suicide as a weakness.

BUT, other times, I try and understand that some people just get to a point where they're so depressed that they lose a sense of rationality that would otherwise tell them that things aren't always going to be so bad. Some people truly feel they have no one to turn too, even if they do but don't realize it, and I know that that's not something I could possibly understand unless I was in the situation myself.  In that sense, I don't see it as a weakness.

Sooo yea, my thoughts on this subject waver.
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2012 at 08:16 PM »
I agree with alot of what all you guys said. I don't know how to explain how I feel about it, but all I can say it is HEARTBREAKING! :( I've been through more suicides in my life then I can imagine when I was in high school. Ever since I was in 8th grade until now that I am in my 20's. Just went through 2 in the last 4 months. Both my sisters lost a friend to suicide. One in July and one about 3 week ago I think. The one in July was the most heart breaking thing! :(

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2012 at 09:25 PM »
All of your replies have brought tears to my eyes, because its good to see some people still have true compassion.

Like I said in the OP this subject is very close to me. In July of this year I ended up hospitalized for a suicide attempt. I thank God everyday that I didn't succeed, and it truly breaks myself heart how some people talk about suicide victims. I honestly cannot begin to describe the pain I was in. My mind was so broken at that time. I laid in my hospital room begging my mom to let me die. I completely shattered her at that moment. And I didn't do it selfishly,  hurting her or anyone else was never my intent. I just wanted the pain to stop.

I guess if you've never been there, it's easy to call the person selfish or cowardly,  but they're not. They are just in so much pain that death seems like the only way to make it stop. Those people need your love and support not your critisisim

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2012 at 10:45 PM »
I definitely do not think it's a cowards way out, I also don't think it's selfish. The people that think about possibly committing suicide DO think about others around them and a lot of the time that can stop people. People that commit suicide either had something tragic happen and they just don't know how to deal with things (including bullying) OR they have serious clinical depression or some sort of other mental illness. No one actually wants to die. Most of the time people who commit suicide just feel like they can't handle anything in their life anymore. These people are in SO MUCH pain. They just don't want to be here anymore, they don't want to deal with the stresses of life they have, it just gets to be too much, for whatever reason... most of the time though it's a mental illness that is kind of causing the thoughts.

And I know these things because I've had these thoughts. I'd never ever actually DO anything, but I have had those thoughts, and honestly still do sometimes. It's something I'm kind of embarrassed to admit, but it honestly pisses me off when people say it's a cowards way out or selfish because most of the time those people saying that have NO idea the things those people deal with, and yes most of it that they deal with occurs in their mind, but it's not something they can't really control, if that makes any sense? (And don't worry, I'm in the process of getting help and figuring out things and basically WHY I'm thinking and feeling this way).

Also, I personally do know someone that tried to commit suicide, he's sort of my brother in law, not technically because his brother and my sister aren't married yet, but they basically are (they have a kid together and live together lol). He thankfully survived and is now getting help and getting better and in some place to help him get back on his feet and figure stuff out. But, he as well had REASONS. It's never something that's just like "oh you know what I think I might just kill myself tonight and let everyone that cares about me suffer". Most of the time these people feel alone.

I think honestly, suicide or even just suicidal thoughts, is something that isn't black and white. It's not simple. It's not going to be easy to understand. It's different per person. It's extremely complicated and more likely than not these people have been quietly suffering for awhile, thinking about ending their life... they most likely didn't try and get help, or didn't tell anybody what was really going on. Things that happen in our mind, in our thoughts, are things that sometimes aren't so easy for others to notice or see. It can be VERY easy to hide, which can be sad because sometimes there are no signs that this person is suffering or struggling. And also, a lot of the time these thoughts and struggles aren't logical, sometimes they are, sometimes something happens as I mentioned before, but yeah I don't know. I think I've rambled on enough. Hope this post made some sense haha.
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2012 at 01:43 PM »
One of my friends killed himself back in 2006.  When I got that phone call, I will never forget where I was, how I felt, what was happening around me, I can picture that exact moment, and feel it as well, anytime.

It was not easy.  My friends and his family were there for each other and still are.  We would always go hang out at the cemetary with him and have drinks and play catch with the football.  I moved away though so I don't get to go visit the site anymore but I do get to when I visit, like next week when I am going to Michigan!!

It was very hard on all of us, I knew him since kindergarten.  He left our school in 2nd grade and then we met back up the Summer before highs chool, he knew a lot of the friends I met in Junior High so it was really cool to reconnect after all those years.  We became INSEPARABLE my freshman year of high school.  We used to watch Sifle and Ollie together, a sock puppet show from old school MTV :) and he lived around the block, almost directly behind me.  I would sit on the ladder to my pool and he would sit on his porch and we'd look at each other and talk on the phone!

We grew apart over the years but he was always considered a bestie of mine.  I got a tattoo over two years ago, 2 weeks before I moved to Florida and I incorporated his initals in there, I can post a pic once I'm home.

I really love the TWLOHA campaign and I think I want to get love written on my arm for awareness.  But I want to incorporate music into it somewhere, have the bars to my favorite song in there and just make it look really cool!!!

If we treated each other better, there would be less suicides.  Period.  I mean lots of people do it for ALL kinds of reasons but Zi think it starts at how we treat each other. Bullying for example, how many lives are lost each year because of that? Too many if you ask me.  And it's not "kids just being kids" it's downright cruel in MOST cases.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2012 at 07:28 AM »
I think suicide is something you only do when you think the world is better off without you.
While I do understand why people can think it's selfish, I don't believe it is. I think that it's the last act of selflessness for those people. Or that's how they see it. They think they only cause too many problems and not any relief or joy.
By they I mean the cases of suicide I know off, not everyone who ever contemplated or committed suicide. I in no way think I know what's going on in other peoples heads.

It's horrible to hear people here struggled with the idea. I know I've had some low points in my life. Very low. But I haven't ever thought of suicide and I got help instead. I know I am lucky with that. It could've gone differently. And I am glad you guys made it past that point!

The other day a case of suicide was in the news and papers here in the Netherlands. The parents decided to put a part of his suicidenote in the paper. This of course generated quite a bit of a reacting throughout the country.
Some call it brave, some are not sure if it was a good idea. But it did get people talking about the effects of bullying.
What do you guys think of it?

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2012 at 07:29 AM »
I think it's very sad when people kill themselves
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2012 at 06:18 PM »
definitely not a coward's way out. You don't know the extent to which these people are suffering and you never will.


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Re: Suicide
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2012 at 06:26 PM »
you can never really know whats going on in people's head and even if they let you in and explain you whats wrong
its never easy to try to put yourself in their position, nobody react and take the things the same way

definately not a coward's way out

Its really sad that some people cant see an other way to feel better than take their own life

If only people would try more to put themself in other people's shoes and see how words and acts can affect a person

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2013 at 11:31 AM »
My friend killed himself 7 years ago today, RIP Justin, we all miss you terribly and not a day goes by that we aren't thinking of you.  Love you.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2013 at 08:09 PM »
I'm so sorry about your friend, Mary; what a beautiful tattoo/tribute to him.