OTH 1.0, 2.0, & 3.0

[Jerret]

I think for the majority of the OTH fan base it is agreed that it was basically split up into three different sections of the series so to speak...the first 4 seasons being OTH 1.0, seasons 5 & 6 being OTH 2.0, and seasons 7-9 being OTH 3.0. For all sections of the series what did you like, not like, thought they could have done better, which was the worst, your favorite, est?

Unlike most fans, especially now that I've gotten older and the show has been over for a year now, I can appreciate every section of the series. Earlier on I was always so attatched to the high school years that I always compared all the adult seasons to it, which in reality isn't a fair comparison because the characters had grown and they were different people than they were before, but still with the roots of what made them who they always were.

I feel like each segment of the show served a purpose to the over all plot. OTH 1.0 was obviously the characters as teenagers, which is what we all mostly were when we started watching for the most part. I loved how they depicted the stories and unwinded the plots in a way that you just didn't see in any other high school drama show. There was a heart to it that was so easily felt that made it retable. It wasn't always true that the storylines were the most relatable and realistic even in the high school years, it was just that you could feel the emotions behind them and the characters somehow felt like a friend to you when you were maybe going through a rough time and just needed some inspiriting wisdom to hear and invest your attention too.

OTH 2.0 (seasons 5-6) get a lot of ridicule and I can understand why, but I think the writers did a great job at the transition. OTH was the first high school series to take the risk of jumping a head 4 years and I thought it panned out very smoothly. Was it very different than what we were used to before? Hell yes. But even with that there were still the qualities about the show that still made it OTH and it was also new and invigorating again which was needed after 4 seasons of high school, because as much as I loved season 4, it was starting to become obvious that the actors were becoming burnt out on playing teens. I loved how S5 really focused on the importance of home and Tree Hill to all the characters and showing us where they all ended up, and the struggle to getting back on track for some of them. They had grown up and were being faced with REAL LIFE problems for the first time in their lives, not just petty high school drama for a change. Yeah, some of the episodes after the strike were a little slower, but they had a deadline to spit 6 episodes out on a limited amount of time, they did the best with what they had to work with. Then comes Season 6...again, a lot of ridicule on this season. In my opinion, S6 was the best year for Brooke of all the OTH seasons. She really went to some deep and dark places that they never took her character before and I enjoyed every minute of it. The Sam storyline as well was one of my favorites of the entire series and seeing the bond created between Sam and Brooke was something really special. Unlike most, it was nice for Naley to have a calm storm following season after season of drama. Seeing Nate work his way to the NBA which everything I wanted to see and more. Finally in LP's final season we got to see them get the baby and tie the knot, but with a few bumps in the road which were Julian and the baby troubles, loved them both. They explored LP in a different light this year than we had ever seen before and it was nice that once they were finally together they stayed that well. What I loved most about this season looking back on is that I feel like the whole season was the calm after the storm, and the storm was seasons 1-5. It was nice to have a year where even though there were still dramatic storylines and all that, it all felt stable for once.

OTH 3.0 (season 7-9), were very unexpected to me and most of the OTH fan base I feel like. It was the last 3 seasons of the series and there was no LP which was a HUGE risk for Mark and the show to take, and just like the time jump, he and the writers somehow managed to pull it off even with a lot of doubt from critics and fans. I was very worried before S7 premiered and I came to the conclusion only half way through the season that it was my favorite season of the entire series. In order for the show to survive and thrive with the absence of two majors characters like LP, they had to reinvent and completely revamp the whole premise of the show, while still keeping it's roots intact, even while missing two of it's biggest roots and I was so impressed with the way they did it. Putting a lot of focus on Naley's relationship as well as exploring Haley's character more in depth in a way they had never done before was what sold S7 for myself and lots of other fans. That mixed in with the return of some old characters to bring back that old OTH nostalgia (Taylor, Lydia, & Rachel) helped to make it have the homey feel to the series again. Even though many got annoyed with Brooke and how things went with Julian this year, I appreciated her insecurities and all the sillyness of that storyline because Brooke had held onto those fears and doubts in her relationship with men since Lucas, and she needed to finally get it all out to let it go once and for all. Quinn, Clay, and Alex were perfect additions to the show. They each fit in perfectly the puzzle and made the OTH world just a little brighter. Season 8...oh boy. I'm one to normally appreciate every season of the show, but I will say S8 is the only one that it was a little hard for me to find a lot of enjoyable aspects to it. I think the main reason it didn't work quite as well was because they went into the season believing it was going to be the last, but at the same time didn't know that for sure and so they tried to dance a fine line of doing storylines that would seem appropriate for the ending of a series but still not making it to series finale-ish, if that makes sense aha. I did enjoy Brooke and Julian's relationship calming down and all the happened to Brooke's company with her mom and Millie. Haley's 2nd pregnancy I thought would have given a good opportunity for the writers to it explore in a way they didn't the first time and give her and Nathan some good scenes, but they didn't take advantage of that...oh well. Alex, Mia, and Chase...need I say more? Bleh. Sara coming back...shoot me. However, I did like how they handled Quinn dealing with the after math of the S7 finale shooting, lots of good character growth there, and her acting really improved. Most of all, the first 5 episodes of the season were pretty solid, but it just kinda went down hill from there. It's just my opinion that the writers got a little lazy this season. Could have been worse but could have been a lot better too. Season 9...I was blown away. It was so refreshing to know from the get go that it would indeed be the last season and there were only 13 episodes. I loved this because this way there was no questioning it and I think with it only being half a season it gave them just the right amount of episodes to wrap everything up with a nice little bow. I have no complaints whatsoever with how they ended it. Anything that was still open ended got tied up by the end of the season. Brooke finally mended her relationship with both parental units and got the family she always wanted, with both her mom and Dad, and her fam with Julian and her twins. Haley and Brooke opening the cafe together reminded me a lot of Deb and Karen, nice throwback. Nathan may have been missing half the season, but at least it was an interesting storyline and not boring. It gave Haley a lot of great material to work with and shine for the last season. Having Lucas back (even if only for an episode) showed who Luke always was in his heart...a true best friend, and that's always what he was for Haley. Dan totally came full circle this year with rescuing Nathan and then dying...him exiting out with Keith and that whole episode was amazing. Having Deb back for a few scenes was also the cherry on top to an already great final season. The series finale surpassed any of the other finales in my opinion, but still lining up with the others. There were technically 3 major finales for this show...S4's concluding the high school years, S6's concluding LP, and S9 concluding the series as a whole, I couldn't have asked for a better one. 

[Sara]

Long story short, I liked the most original first.  Unless you started watching in later seasons, I think that's pretty typical.  It's one thing if the world you were introduced to was seasons 7-9, or even 5-6.  But the high school years were way different from the rest of the show.  The dynamics that were there were so important to what the core of the show was about.  You still got trickles in seasons 5-6, and it was barely recognizable in seasons 7-9. 

It's one thing for a show to just evolve-obviously things were going to be different when they became the adults/parents themselves.  But I have a hard time appreciating later seasons because they didn't just move on, they ignored and put down the show's history.  Even the original relationships and characters that were left....how often did we see great scenes between the core characters?  It was like Naley vs. BJu vs. Clay/Quinn vs. Jamie's storyline.  Naley as a couple got little attention, and Brooke got a lot of the attention in a bad, OOC way-she was the new constantly crying victim of the show to replace Peyton.  We got some, and I emphasize some, good stuff for individual storylines, but not as a group progressing together like we got in high school.  The moments we got were rare and always involved emphasizing relationships, progress, and history.  Like 9x11.  And even 9x13, although I couldn’t buy the “we’re such a close group” they tried to pull off at the very end.

[onlyoth23]

correct me if im wrong but hasnt it not even been a year yet since the show ended? in the beginning of this thread it said that oth has been over for over a year.. but im pretty positive that oth ran from september 23, 2003-april 4th, 2012... and its not even april 2013 yet..

[Craigster]

1.0 by far. The other 2 aren't even really comparable to me.

[sophiaisawesome]

Unlike most people, i like all 3 versions equally. Every season has its flaws obvioulsy but still love it all.

[HaleyScott23]

Long story short, I liked the most original first.  Unless you started watching in later seasons, I think that's pretty typical.  It's one thing if the world you were introduced to was seasons 7-9, or even 5-6.  But the high school years were way different from the rest of the show.  The dynamics that were there were so important to what the core of the show was about.  You still got trickles in seasons 5-6, and it was barely recognizable in seasons 7-9. 

It's one thing for a show to just evolve-obviously things were going to be different when they became the adults/parents themselves.  But I have a hard time appreciating later seasons because they didn't just move on, they ignored and put down the show's history.  Even the original relationships and characters that were left....how often did we see great scenes between the core characters?  It was like Naley vs. BJu vs. Clay/Quinn vs. Jamie's storyline.  Naley as a couple got little attention, and Brooke got a lot of the attention in a bad, OOC way-she was the new constantly crying victim of the show to replace Peyton.  We got some, and I emphasize some, good stuff for individual storylines, but not as a group progressing together like we got in high school.  The moments we got were rare and always involved emphasizing relationships, progress, and history.  Like 9x11.  And even 9x13, although I couldn’t buy the “we’re such a close group” they tried to pull off at the very end.

Bravo. Couldn't have said it better myself.

It's very easy to me: the show started as one thing and that was kept until S3 and some parts of S4. After that, it was just a different show. I know the characters grew up and that that would change the show a little bit, but it was a lot more than that (IMO), as Sara already pointed out. Then, from S7 onwards, it was just an unrecognizable show.

So yes, OTH 1.0 >>>>>>>>>

[Northlights]

I thoroughly enjoyed the first 3 seasons of the show. I expected the fourth season to have the same feel as well but something definitely changed. It was like the writers completely changed the direction of the show, instead of focusing on the original plan of character-driven drama they turned to the sensationalism and shock value to develop the plot. One of the reasons why I liked the show to begin with was the fact that it wasn’t centered around quick thrills, it made it more realistic somehow. That is not to say that the first 3 seasons didn’t have some of the more dramatic things happen that shocked the audience, but it was always important to the subsequent plot. For example, the car accident in season one had implications on Keith’ relationship with Karen and his financial troubles, season two fire in Dan’s dealership set events in motion that would affect the rest of the show – Dan attempting to get revenge resulting with the most pivotal event that changed the dynamics of the series. These plot devices were needed in order to progress the story, not just for the sake of it.

Although season 4 should belong in OTH 1.0, for me that was the season when quality story lines were abandoned to pursue empty twists and cheap thrills. And it continued until the end of the show. I’m not saying I didn’t like any of it, there were some good episodes and good moments, but I didn’t see the point of psycho Derek’s return, or Haley’s car accident, Nathan/Brooke sextape, Nathan’s motorcycle escapade, etc…these plots were meaningless as they did not help to move the storyline on. They were in most cases forgotten in the very next episode and never mentioned again. I got the impression the writers just needed something to fill in the episodes and invented empty plots that led nowhere, like they didn’t know what to do with the characters. At the same time some of the characters changed completely, their actions seemed very OOC and invalidated their previous growth. It didn’t seem very believable to me.

The same thing goes for repetitive crazy stalkers (Carrie twice, Katie twice, X twice…it seems that every psycho had to return again), car crashes (Peyton’s crash in season 6, what purpose did it serve exactly?), shootings (the first time in 316 was believable, but then Lucas fires at Dan, Katie shoots Clay and Quinn, Brooke almost kills X, Q is shot dead, Dan executes Carrie, OK coral showdown in season 9…I mean come on…). At the same time the potentially great storylines were passed over. Like Brooke dealing with the attack in her store, or her inability to have children, financial struggles of a high school married couple expecting a child (after Duante, it seems that Nathan and Haley never had any trouble with money again…or before come to think of it). Not to mention that there wasn’t a single pregnancy that didn’t end up being dangerous and complicated in some way. Over the top.

What was the point of Lucas learning from all the crap he pulled in season 1, only to turn him in the same jerk who cheats on his girlfriend in season 5? Why make Brooke independent and more mature in season 2, and then turn her into immature and selfish brat in season 4 and insecure and paranoid in season 7? We’ve seen that already. Nathan showing the same temper problems that got him in trouble in the past, Peyton being victimized and crying again. Peyton in season 5 is the same Peyton from season 1. Lesson not learned. Naley marriage problems are caused by a third party in season 2, partly in season 4, in season 5, and in season 7. There are other things that can cause problems in marriage, or any other relationship for that matter, yet the show always went the same route. Endless love triangles. Boring and predictable.

It did not show characters overcoming obstacles and growing but instead making the same mistakes over and over again. I also had a problem with rewriting history in later seasons. Why not just acknowledge the past for what it was and move on instead of rewriting it…?

So, I can say I really enjoyed OTH 1.0 (minus S4), but continued to watch OTH 2.0 and OTH 3.0 only out of habit. I can’t exactly remember what happened in which season as opposed to the first 3 seasons when the show had something special or unique to it.

[KevinW]

I totally agree with everything Northlights said.

The first 3 seasons and even the 4th to some degree were the best. By mid-season 4 and after, the show just went through a huge identity crisis imo. It got so far away from what it was truly supposed to be about, especially post Season 6. I mean, episodes where the girls are superhereos? It seemed like the writers had completely given up and decided to literally just start making episodes about anything because they were out of ideas and didn't feel like trying to come up with new ones.

I also didn't like what they did to the characters. They turned Brooke into someone who was never happy, always complaining and obsessed with talking about her past, it got old after a while. Haley and Nathan hardly ever got good storylines and they started to feel like an afterthought. Julian basically became Brooke's puppy and went along with everything she wanted. Quinn and Clay, I won't even go there. The only person I semi enjoyed was Alex because she was somewhat interesting and as a character, although she was not at all believable, she offered something different to the show but even that got old pretty quickly because it was obvious her SL wasn't going anywhere. Again, the writers just sort of gave up on trying to develop good storylines and instead tried to turn the show into some kind of comedy with random episodes that didn't piece together.

So overall I really enjoyed and actually learned a lot from OTH 1.0 and it'll always be my favorite because of how relatable it was. Everything after that was just kind of me watching because I got into the habit of it.

[HaleyScott23]

I thoroughly enjoyed the first 3 seasons of the show. I expected the fourth season to have the same feel as well but something definitely changed. It was like the writers completely changed the direction of the show, instead of focusing on the original plan of character-driven drama they turned to the sensationalism and shock value to develop the plot. One of the reasons why I liked the show to begin with was the fact that it wasn’t centered around quick thrills, it made it more realistic somehow. That is not to say that the first 3 seasons didn’t have some of the more dramatic things happen that shocked the audience, but it was always important to the subsequent plot. For example, the car accident in season one had implications on Keith’ relationship with Karen and his financial troubles, season two fire in Dan’s dealership set events in motion that would affect the rest of the show – Dan attempting to get revenge resulting with the most pivotal event that changed the dynamics of the series. These plot devices were needed in order to progress the story, not just for the sake of it.

Although season 4 should belong in OTH 1.0, for me that was the season when quality story lines were abandoned to pursue empty twists and cheap thrills. And it continued until the end of the show. I’m not saying I didn’t like any of it, there were some good episodes and good moments, but I didn’t see the point of psycho Derek’s return, or Haley’s car accident, Nathan/Brooke sextape, Nathan’s motorcycle escapade, etc…these plots were meaningless as they did not help to move the storyline on. They were in most cases forgotten in the very next episode and never mentioned again. I got the impression the writers just needed something to fill in the episodes and invented empty plots that led nowhere, like they didn’t know what to do with the characters. At the same time some of the characters changed completely, their actions seemed very OOC and invalidated their previous growth. It didn’t seem very believable to me.

The same thing goes for repetitive crazy stalkers (Carrie twice, Katie twice, X twice…it seems that every psycho had to return again), car crashes (Peyton’s crash in season 6, what purpose did it serve exactly?), shootings (the first time in 316 was believable, but then Lucas fires at Dan, Katie shoots Clay and Quinn, Brooke almost kills X, Q is shot dead, Dan executes Carrie, OK coral showdown in season 9…I mean come on…). At the same time the potentially great storylines were passed over. Like Brooke dealing with the attack in her store, or her inability to have children, financial struggles of a high school married couple expecting a child (after Duante, it seems that Nathan and Haley never had any trouble with money again…or before come to think of it). Not to mention that there wasn’t a single pregnancy that didn’t end up being dangerous and complicated in some way. Over the top.

What was the point of Lucas learning from all the crap he pulled in season 1, only to turn him in the same jerk who cheats on his girlfriend in season 5? Why make Brooke independent and more mature in season 2, and then turn her into immature and selfish brat in season 4 and insecure and paranoid in season 7? We’ve seen that already. Nathan showing the same temper problems that got him in trouble in the past, Peyton being victimized and crying again. Peyton in season 5 is the same Peyton from season 1. Lesson not learned. Naley marriage problems are caused by a third party in season 2, partly in season 4, in season 5, and in season 7. There are other things that can cause problems in marriage, or any other relationship for that matter, yet the show always went the same route. Endless love triangles. Boring and predictable.

It did not show characters overcoming obstacles and growing but instead making the same mistakes over and over again. I also had a problem with rewriting history in later seasons. Why not just acknowledge the past for what it was and move on instead of rewriting it…?

So, I can say I really enjoyed OTH 1.0 (minus S4), but continued to watch OTH 2.0 and OTH 3.0 only out of habit. I can’t exactly remember what happened in which season as opposed to the first 3 seasons when the show had something special or unique to it.

I just read this now and I couldn't agree more! Well said.

[Craigster]

I thoroughly enjoyed the first 3 seasons of the show. I expected the fourth season to have the same feel as well but something definitely changed. It was like the writers completely changed the direction of the show, instead of focusing on the original plan of character-driven drama they turned to the sensationalism and shock value to develop the plot. One of the reasons why I liked the show to begin with was the fact that it wasn’t centered around quick thrills, it made it more realistic somehow. That is not to say that the first 3 seasons didn’t have some of the more dramatic things happen that shocked the audience, but it was always important to the subsequent plot. For example, the car accident in season one had implications on Keith’ relationship with Karen and his financial troubles, season two fire in Dan’s dealership set events in motion that would affect the rest of the show – Dan attempting to get revenge resulting with the most pivotal event that changed the dynamics of the series. These plot devices were needed in order to progress the story, not just for the sake of it.

Although season 4 should belong in OTH 1.0, for me that was the season when quality story lines were abandoned to pursue empty twists and cheap thrills. And it continued until the end of the show. I’m not saying I didn’t like any of it, there were some good episodes and good moments, but I didn’t see the point of psycho Derek’s return, or Haley’s car accident, Nathan/Brooke sextape, Nathan’s motorcycle escapade, etc…these plots were meaningless as they did not help to move the storyline on. They were in most cases forgotten in the very next episode and never mentioned again. I got the impression the writers just needed something to fill in the episodes and invented empty plots that led nowhere, like they didn’t know what to do with the characters. At the same time some of the characters changed completely, their actions seemed very OOC and invalidated their previous growth. It didn’t seem very believable to me.

The same thing goes for repetitive crazy stalkers (Carrie twice, Katie twice, X twice…it seems that every psycho had to return again), car crashes (Peyton’s crash in season 6, what purpose did it serve exactly?), shootings (the first time in 316 was believable, but then Lucas fires at Dan, Katie shoots Clay and Quinn, Brooke almost kills X, Q is shot dead, Dan executes Carrie, OK coral showdown in season 9…I mean come on…). At the same time the potentially great storylines were passed over. Like Brooke dealing with the attack in her store, or her inability to have children, financial struggles of a high school married couple expecting a child (after Duante, it seems that Nathan and Haley never had any trouble with money again…or before come to think of it). Not to mention that there wasn’t a single pregnancy that didn’t end up being dangerous and complicated in some way. Over the top.

What was the point of Lucas learning from all the crap he pulled in season 1, only to turn him in the same jerk who cheats on his girlfriend in season 5? Why make Brooke independent and more mature in season 2, and then turn her into immature and selfish brat in season 4 and insecure and paranoid in season 7? We’ve seen that already. Nathan showing the same temper problems that got him in trouble in the past, Peyton being victimized and crying again. Peyton in season 5 is the same Peyton from season 1. Lesson not learned. Naley marriage problems are caused by a third party in season 2, partly in season 4, in season 5, and in season 7. There are other things that can cause problems in marriage, or any other relationship for that matter, yet the show always went the same route. Endless love triangles. Boring and predictable.

It did not show characters overcoming obstacles and growing but instead making the same mistakes over and over again. I also had a problem with rewriting history in later seasons. Why not just acknowledge the past for what it was and move on instead of rewriting it…?

So, I can say I really enjoyed OTH 1.0 (minus S4), but continued to watch OTH 2.0 and OTH 3.0 only out of habit. I can’t exactly remember what happened in which season as opposed to the first 3 seasons when the show had something special or unique to it.

This post is actually my life. PERFECTLY SAID. Though I'm one of the few people who include S4 in OTH 1.0 just because of how amazing 4x09 and 4x21 were.

[Jerret]

I thoroughly enjoyed the first 3 seasons of the show. I expected the fourth season to have the same feel as well but something definitely changed. It was like the writers completely changed the direction of the show, instead of focusing on the original plan of character-driven drama they turned to the sensationalism and shock value to develop the plot. One of the reasons why I liked the show to begin with was the fact that it wasn’t centered around quick thrills, it made it more realistic somehow. That is not to say that the first 3 seasons didn’t have some of the more dramatic things happen that shocked the audience, but it was always important to the subsequent plot. For example, the car accident in season one had implications on Keith’ relationship with Karen and his financial troubles, season two fire in Dan’s dealership set events in motion that would affect the rest of the show – Dan attempting to get revenge resulting with the most pivotal event that changed the dynamics of the series. These plot devices were needed in order to progress the story, not just for the sake of it.

Although season 4 should belong in OTH 1.0, for me that was the season when quality story lines were abandoned to pursue empty twists and cheap thrills. And it continued until the end of the show. I’m not saying I didn’t like any of it, there were some good episodes and good moments, but I didn’t see the point of psycho Derek’s return, or Haley’s car accident, Nathan/Brooke sextape, Nathan’s motorcycle escapade, etc…these plots were meaningless as they did not help to move the storyline on. They were in most cases forgotten in the very next episode and never mentioned again. I got the impression the writers just needed something to fill in the episodes and invented empty plots that led nowhere, like they didn’t know what to do with the characters. At the same time some of the characters changed completely, their actions seemed very OOC and invalidated their previous growth. It didn’t seem very believable to me.

The same thing goes for repetitive crazy stalkers (Carrie twice, Katie twice, X twice…it seems that every psycho had to return again), car crashes (Peyton’s crash in season 6, what purpose did it serve exactly?), shootings (the first time in 316 was believable, but then Lucas fires at Dan, Katie shoots Clay and Quinn, Brooke almost kills X, Q is shot dead, Dan executes Carrie, OK coral showdown in season 9…I mean come on…). At the same time the potentially great storylines were passed over. Like Brooke dealing with the attack in her store, or her inability to have children, financial struggles of a high school married couple expecting a child (after Duante, it seems that Nathan and Haley never had any trouble with money again…or before come to think of it). Not to mention that there wasn’t a single pregnancy that didn’t end up being dangerous and complicated in some way. Over the top.

What was the point of Lucas learning from all the crap he pulled in season 1, only to turn him in the same jerk who cheats on his girlfriend in season 5? Why make Brooke independent and more mature in season 2, and then turn her into immature and selfish brat in season 4 and insecure and paranoid in season 7? We’ve seen that already. Nathan showing the same temper problems that got him in trouble in the past, Peyton being victimized and crying again. Peyton in season 5 is the same Peyton from season 1. Lesson not learned. Naley marriage problems are caused by a third party in season 2, partly in season 4, in season 5, and in season 7. There are other things that can cause problems in marriage, or any other relationship for that matter, yet the show always went the same route. Endless love triangles. Boring and predictable.

It did not show characters overcoming obstacles and growing but instead making the same mistakes over and over again. I also had a problem with rewriting history in later seasons. Why not just acknowledge the past for what it was and move on instead of rewriting it…?

So, I can say I really enjoyed OTH 1.0 (minus S4), but continued to watch OTH 2.0 and OTH 3.0 only out of habit. I can’t exactly remember what happened in which season as opposed to the first 3 seasons when the show had something special or unique to it.

Perfectly said!

[xfreekx]

Unlike most people, i like all 3 versions equally. Every season has its flaws obvioulsy but still love it all.

I agree. I think it would have been impossible to keep the show exactly the same for 9 seasons. The writers had to take risks, and I think they paid off in the end.

I may have felt differently if the show ended after season 7 or 8, but i think all 9 seasons have merit and are an important part of the whole.

I think that's what made OTH so great. We all in life have situations and characters (people) we come across that we don't like, or are boring or trivial, but that's what life is about. When those things happen in OTH that we may not like, I think it adds a human element to it.

I'm getting to nerdy about it. Bottom line...I love the show and it wouldn't mean as much to me if it had ended after 1.0. Those nine years are tied to other events in my life and I'll always remember that.